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Beautifully written and incredible insights. I’ve always thought the plot centred around those two, and how El was a major metaphor/aspect of their feelings and the way you outlined this makes a lot of sense.

However, I do think the show is going to fully make Mike and Will’s love textual. Why? Because they’re already half way there. Will is confirmed to be gay and in love with Mike… so a major aspect of the subtext became text. Also, as the Upside Down is a metaphor for the closet, it is also a metaphor for subtext. It’s another world hidden deep away but that changed at the end of ST4. Will gave his painting speech (revealing to us both his sexuality and his romantic love for Mike), which led to the Upside Down merging with Hawkins… much like the subtext merging with the text.

Basically, the cat is out of the bag now and there’s no turning back. If the love between Mike and Will was to remain subtext, then Will would never have given the painting speech. That was the major turning point or as Argyle put it the first “domino”.

Revealing the subtext to us really does parallel coming out of the closet. I think Mike and Will at the very end will no longer need to “hide” in the subtext/closet… and that is likely the solution to the major conflict within the story. The writers have hinted many times that the ending will be a “gay ending” (in a line of dialogue in The First Shadow play) and that “there upon the rainbow

Is the answer to a never ending story” (line from Neverending Story song).

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Finally, finally! I had time to read again and went straight to this article. Thank you very much for this super entertaining read. It explains so many things I struggled with ☺️

Although I figured out the mirrored love triangle, I didn’t know what to do with El. I couldn’t figure out if she is the main character and the others are side characters, as she has a strong story line, or if she was some kind of allegorical character. That episode in S2 where she met that other girl with powers was so weird and detached from the others that it totally confused me. But now I know that even an allegorical character can be the main character. After all, the whole main subtextual story of ST is about love, so they made that love a girl and wrote an epic horror series around it. Sometimes a white whale, sometimes a little girl.

So, I really struggled to understand who El was and therefore I found it weird that Steve would mirror her, but nevertheless that triangle was obvious. And I still struggle to understand what other functions Steve has, especially after he became the “babysitter”/protector of the kids of the show.

BTW, for me the last confirmation that Nancy mirrors Will was when the kids knocked off Steve in S2 because they wanted to go and help with the demogods. As they were all in a car, Steve gained consciousness and with still blurred vision he looked up to Mike sitting next to him and asked “Nancy?” It was so unnecessary plot-wise and even with blurred vision you wouldn't mix them up.

Now, if someone ever tells me that there is nothing gay in ST, then I will ask them: “And what about the gay bar?”

“Gay bar?” they might reply in question wondering what I mean.

And then I will tell them a story which happened a long, long time ago in a famous city called Aachen, Germany. When I was still young and beautiful (now I’m only beautiful) I spent some time there doing research. In my lab team there was another colleague who was also from Slovakia as I am. Our internships there overlapped for a few months and we shared an office with the other lab group members. Every morning and every afternoon, or whenever during the day the two of us greeted each other with a big ‘Ahoj!’ (Slovak basic equivalent for Hi!/Bye!). After a couple of weeks one of our German colleagues couldn’t keep it anymore and finally told me that for her it’s a little bit weird and funny how we are ‘Ahoj here and Ahoj there’ as there is a gay bar in Aachen called ‘Ahoy’. I can’t remember what my answer to her was anymore, but I wasn’t probably really thrilled by that revelation as for me that greeting is an absolutely everyday thing. But now when I recently rewatched ST it was a different story. OH, BTW, this happened like 10 years ago, so I don’t know if that bar it still open 😉

So, in season 3, Scoops Ahoy really caught my attention and this post deepened it. Did the Duffer brothers really play with the old ‘gay sailors’ stereotype? This connotation is pretty widely known (Village people probably didn’t help with this image either 😂), right? They could create whatever ice cream parlor they wanted and name it whatever they wanted (for example ‘I cream, You scream’ would fit a horror story nicely), but no, they chose a nautical-themed ice cream parlor and named it Scoops Ahoy. And not just that. They created an gay character (and revealed this fact for us, the viewers), dressed her in a cute navy-like costume and let her crack the code which led the group deep down to the biggest danger to the gay subtext of the show. I don’t think this is a coincidence. Not to mention that navy = sea = water = love. Or am I just overanalyzing it?

Anyway… Interesting thing also is, why the group consists of Robin, Steve, Dustin and later joins Erica. Especially Steve. What he represents (except for mirroring El the girlfriend). Really, I have no idea, TVM, if you could at least give me some hints I would be happy. I can’t figure out his other function in the text at all 😣 I just assume, that cracking that code and the whole storyline doesn’t involve anything straight. This also made me think about Dustin’s role. Although it may be a weird constellation of 4 friends - gay Will, probably bi Mike, Mike’s brain Lucas and Mike’s hearth Dustin, the more I think about how Lucas and Dustin behave and their storylines it makes sense to me. It would show that both Mike’s mind and heart are involved in his relationship with Will. At the beginning Lucas didn’t like El the love at all, he was afraid of her and questioned everything. But he totally supports Mike’s relationship with El the girl and tries to help him to get her back after their fight in S3. He also wanted to be part of the cool guys and joined a sports team, which is usually the representation of the most hetero thing a man can do in high school. This really looks like what a brain would dictate how to behave for someone who is in the closet. And Dustin, although not that obvious, he is so smart he could be a brian, but I think he fits the heart role better. Also the actor’s medical condition could be used to empathize that Mike’s heart is ‘built differently’ and that his heart still has a long way to go until it will be able to open. It takes time to develop ‘teeth’ but they are ‘coming in’ as Dustin often explains (that is not far from ‘coming out’ 😁) There is also his connection with Eddie in S4, whose whole storyline was to find strength to face the problems, the reality and not run anymore. And we saw in the first trailer of S5 that Dustin picked up Eddie’s style of clothing. What gives me the hope that Mike won’t run away from his feelings for Will in S5. But I can be completely wrong.

However, another reason why I think this way is Max. In S3 she is like a walking queerness dressed in those colours. If Billy represents the deeply colosetted and awful person image of Will, then it would make sense if Max is Will gayness. Billy terrorizes Max and blames her for everything and according to him ‘she is the reason why he is there where he is’, why they have to move. I always found it weird, but it fits if she’s Will’s gayness. Also that would be the reason why she was targeted by Vecna. Especially if Vecna is what I think he is. And now as the portal to the Upside Down has opened she is unconscious, lost somewhere. In this context also Max’s relationship with Lucas is really interesting. Lucas is instantly attracted to Max's coolness but their communication is complicated. Mike seems that he needs to understand Will’s feelings, he needs to process it by his brain. He needs to understand that it is OK to be in love in Will.

Oh and apropos Billy, I really like your interpretation of him. He was even sucked in that barn the same way as Barb into the Upside Down, which underlines that they both mirror Will.

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